State Sen. Tom Wyss directs the audience to a couple of spots on the map that shows the Indiana Commerce Connector, near Indianapolis, and the Illiana Expressway, near Gary, during a homeland security, transportation and veterans affairs committee meeting Tuesday. PHOTO BY SCOTT ROBERSON
State Sen. Tom Wyss directs the audience to a couple of spots on the map that shows the Indiana Commerce Connector, near Indianapolis, and the Illiana Expressway, near Gary, during a homeland security, transportation and veterans affairs committee meeting Tuesday. PHOTO BY SCOTT ROBERSON

By ANNIE GOELLER, Daily Journal of Johnson County staff writer

Supporters of a proposed toll road through central Indiana outnumbered landowners and residents who oppose the project at a hearing Tuesday when legislators started analyzing the proposal.

About 30 people spoke about the proposed beltway, with the majority favoring it. Everyone who spoke in favor of the proposed Indiana Commerce Connector represented a government agency or an organization, such as engineer or carpenter unions or a county economic development group.

More than 10 residents and a member of an environmental group spoke against the toll road.

Supporters, including the Johnson County Development Corp., said the project would bring jobs and economic development to the state and relieve traffic. A handful of officials and groups from southwest Indiana said they support the beltway because it would help the state build the Interstate 69 extension between Indianapolis and Evansville.

Three Franklin residents spoke against the bill and asked legislators to either get more information before approving the route or not approve the project at all.

At least two lawmakers are considering amendments in relation to opponents' concerns that the proposal is going before legislators too early in the process and won't require any more approvals.

Residents brought up concerns including the types of businesses that would locate along the toll road, the changes a beltway would bring to their areas, and whether the project would truly relieve traffic congestion, as state officials have said.

A Franklin resident said she came to the meeting hoping her words will sway legislators considering the bill.

"I believe if we speak up enough we can make a difference," Rebecca Morrison said.

Morrison told the committee she was speaking for other people who are too intimidated to come to the Statehouse and address legislators.

"If it's not my place, it's somebody else's, and I don't want that to go through anyone who doesn't want it," she said.

She avoids toll roads and wondered what would stop trucks from using Interstate 465 once the toll road were built. She worried about how much farmland would be taken by the project and whether businesses, other than truck stops and fast food restaurants, actually would build near the highway.

"I don't want an experiment running through my area," she said.

Morrison asked legislators not to approve the bill.

Other opponents asked the committee to postpone a decision until more information is available.

Legislators and residents need more facts before the project is approved because the information given out so far was from state officials and the governor trying to sell the project, said Gary Moody, a Franklin resident who spoke against the toll road.

"What people need are facts and not hype," Moody said.

Residents worried about the state giving up control of a highway and urged legislators to study other forms of transportation than roads.

Sandra Tokarski, a member of a group called Citizens for Appropriate Rural Roads, asked legislators questions about the future of the road, such as what will happen with tolls and whether the governor will have the ability to lease other roads to private companies.

She said that the toll road won't relieve congestion, or else a private company couldn't make money.

"Toll roads do not help congestion. They manipulate it for profit," she said.

The leader of an environmental organization, along with a few residents, urged landowners to study other forms of transportation to solve traffic issues.

State officials need to look at rail systems and mass transportation, instead of only planning more and bigger roads, said Tim Maloney, executive director of the Hoosier Environmental Council.

"Show us the facts and figures and let's take a look at a more balanced transportation system," he said.

Committee members listened to more than an hour of testimony from opponents of the project after listening to more than 20 supporters, including town council members, mayors and members of organizations throughout the state.

Groups including engineer and carpenter unions, economic development corporations and chambers of commerce supported the route because they believe it will bring jobs to the state.

A few others, from parts of the state such as Pike County and Petersburg, support the toll road because of the money that will pay to construct I-69.

Alycia Church, executive director of the Pike County Chamber of Commerce, said the county was in support of a toll free I-69 because it would help the entire state.

"We're in full support. We've waited far too long," she said.

The committee did not vote on the bill Tuesday but plans to vote next week.

More than 30 people spoke to a committee of legislators about the proposed toll road through central Indi-ana, which has been packaged into a bill with a northwest Indiana road. Here is what they said:

Supporters

Petersburg Mayor Jon Craig:
Toll road would help build and complete Interstate 69 extension, which would bring businesses and jobs to the southern Indiana city.

Don Henderson, Pendleton Town Council: Supports toll road regardless of where the route is located near Pendleton. State should support road so that future generations will benefit from the jobs. "Shame on us if we let them down."

Bob McQuary, state building trades: Will help bring more jobs to state and connect workers with Honda plant in Decatur County.

Opponents

Bill McAlister, Indianapolis:
Concerned with way bill is written; people should be able to communicate about legislation.

Kirk Boller, New Palestine: "Hancock County is more laid back than Indianapolis. People like farmland." Need to weigh development against land that will be lost. Truckers will avoid the toll road, and it will probably not help traffic on Interstate 465.

Supporters

Steve Wheat, Carpenters Union:
Will bring new construction jobs and opportunities for other jobs.

Marty Wessler, Indiana president of American Council of Engineering Companies: Projects will provide work and keep jobs in state, prompting graduates to stay in Indiana.

Alycia Church, executive director Pike County Chamber of Commerce: Will help Evansville, Indianapolis and everyone in between since toll road will help build I-69. "We're in full support. We've waited far too long."

Paul Lake, executive director of Pike County Growth Council: Will help economic development.

Dennis Maloy, executive director, Hancock County Development Corp.: The route would create high-paying jobs, and the counties would benefit more than they already do with existing interstates.

Hendricks County Economic Development Partnership: Will relieve congestion in Indianapolis. If traffic is not relieved, businesses will no longer be interested in area. Money brought into the county from businesses can help with improvements, such as parks, trails and the aquatic center Hendricks County could build.

Dan Theobald, executive director, Shelby County Development Corp.: Truck traffic has increased on State Road 9 and will get worse with Honda plant. Supports toll road and studies need to be completed. "Don't get caught up in where it's going to be located."

Ron Arnold, Daviess County Economic Development Corp.: County needs I-69, so state needs to do toll road.

Ed Ebert, Indiana Grain and Feed Association: Sup-ports any measures that bring infrastructure to area.

Matt Gibson, farmer in Newton County and member of the Indiana Corn Growers Association: Will help transport products in shorter time.

Did not speak, but in support: Shelbyville mayor; Johnson County Development Corp.; Build Indiana Council; Reith-Riley Construction; Indiana Realtors Association; Builders Association of Greater Indianapolis; Southwest Indiana Chamber of Commerce; Hoosier Voices for I-69; Vectren; Indianapolis Chamber of Commerce; Concrete Paving Association

Opponents

Kirk Boller, New Palestine:
"Hancock County is more laid back than Indianapolis. People like farmland." Need to weigh development against land that will be lost. Truckers will avoid the toll road, and it will probably not help traffic on Interstate 465. "This is not going to help our local community in transportation."

Rob Schafstall, Franklin: Legislators are making a critical decision at the beginning of the process when project is a concept and a vision. Worries that legislators will not have any further authority.

Rebecca Morrison, Franklin: Is state going to tell truckers they can't use I-465? If not, they won't pay the tolls. Route will become full loop around Indianapolis in future. Businesses won't necessarily locate where the state thinks they will. For example, exit off Interstate 65 in Edinburgh is just now getting businesses. Truck stops that will locate there will bring prostitution and drugs.

Debbie Borgmann, Pendleton: Landowners have no details on project. State has good transportation system and should continue work on existing roads. Doesn't want to sell road to private company. "I'd rather be taxed than to sell projects to the highest bidder." Speculating where project will go and that it will bring economic development and that isn't enough for people.

Gary Moody, Franklin: Beltway will have little economic benefit. Don't need another study. Will bring temporary construction jobs and put farmers out of work. Legislators should set bill aside until the project is further down the road.

John Smith, member of Count Us political action committee: Worries about giving state power to take away land. Toll roads are not better than free roads. "There's no need to rush to give Daniels that authority of tolling."

Mary Bookwalter, Carmel: Prefers that voting come at end of process. State should consider investing in other forms of transportation, such as a rail system. Legislators should also reconsider the route of the I-69 extension.

Thomas Tokarski, Citizens for Appropriate Rural Roads: State officials and governor are promising that roads will bring more jobs than is possible. State should retain control and ownership of projects, so they can be flexible with time. "We need the details first and a decision based on verifiable facts, not wishful think-ing."

Sandra Tokarski, Stanford: Legislators need to pay attention to long-term impacts, such as whether another company can buy the road or if other roads can be leased. "Toll roads do not help congestion. They manipulate it for profit."

Tim Maloney, executive director, Hoosier Environmental Council: Legislators need to discuss more forms of transportation. "Transportation does not just mean more and bigger roads." Toll road will take between 3,000 and 4,000 acres of land and affect wildlife, forests, farm land and divide communities. "Show us the facts and figures, and let's take a look at a more balanced transportation system."
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